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		<title>By: Alex Piner</title>
		<link>http://motespace.com/blog/2006/08/22/semantic-web-20/comment-page-1/#comment-5216</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Piner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, the feedback is helpful, as it can be incorporated as a &quot;slogan&quot; for Semantic Web evangelism.

So many layers of the semantic web stack, such as digital signatures, logic processing, are years away, but SIOC has the most groundbreaking implementation I have seen in 6 years of semweb watching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, the feedback is helpful, as it can be incorporated as a &#8220;slogan&#8221; for Semantic Web evangelism.</p>
<p>So many layers of the semantic web stack, such as digital signatures, logic processing, are years away, but SIOC has the most groundbreaking implementation I have seen in 6 years of semweb watching.</p>
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		<title>By: mote</title>
		<link>http://motespace.com/blog/2006/08/22/semantic-web-20/comment-page-1/#comment-5029</link>
		<dc:creator>mote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 22:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex, that is easily the most rational, realistic, and well-adjusted long-term view about the semantic web that I have ever heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex, that is easily the most rational, realistic, and well-adjusted long-term view about the semantic web that I have ever heard.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Piner</title>
		<link>http://motespace.com/blog/2006/08/22/semantic-web-20/comment-page-1/#comment-5018</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Piner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 18:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as the Semantic web was part of the original vision of the Web, perhaps we are in version 0.3 heading towards Web 1.0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as the Semantic web was part of the original vision of the Web, perhaps we are in version 0.3 heading towards Web 1.0</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://motespace.com/blog/2006/08/22/semantic-web-20/comment-page-1/#comment-4080</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2006 06:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm the Semantic Web allready here? Partly I guess, could be an interesting research topic. The driven Web 2.0 and next (3.0) is still under heavy construction...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm the Semantic Web allready here? Partly I guess, could be an interesting research topic. The driven Web 2.0 and next (3.0) is still under heavy construction&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kingsley Idehen</title>
		<link>http://motespace.com/blog/2006/08/22/semantic-web-20/comment-page-1/#comment-3868</link>
		<dc:creator>Kingsley Idehen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please read the latest post on my Blog about Data Spaces. The Semantic Web is already here. All of your viral bootstrapping examples re. tagging/folksononmy etc.. are extremely valid, and note that the same process is well in motion re. the Semantic Web.

This viral explosion is a Man (RSS 2.0 driven Web 2.0) vs Machine (Semantic / Data Web or Web 3.0) type affair. Man cannot work faster than machines, but Man can reason much better than machines. Ironically, the current Web 2.0 state of affairs has this reality the wrong way round, but the realization will be the very inflection upon which the unravelling of the Semantic Web occurs.

The Semantic Web brings Context to the broad mass of Content across the Blogosphere, Wikispehere, and Web in general. Shared ontologies such as SIOC and FOAF are examples of critical infrastructure missing in Semantic Web 1.0.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please read the latest post on my Blog about Data Spaces. The Semantic Web is already here. All of your viral bootstrapping examples re. tagging/folksononmy etc.. are extremely valid, and note that the same process is well in motion re. the Semantic Web.</p>
<p>This viral explosion is a Man (RSS 2.0 driven Web 2.0) vs Machine (Semantic / Data Web or Web 3.0) type affair. Man cannot work faster than machines, but Man can reason much better than machines. Ironically, the current Web 2.0 state of affairs has this reality the wrong way round, but the realization will be the very inflection upon which the unravelling of the Semantic Web occurs.</p>
<p>The Semantic Web brings Context to the broad mass of Content across the Blogosphere, Wikispehere, and Web in general. Shared ontologies such as SIOC and FOAF are examples of critical infrastructure missing in Semantic Web 1.0.</p>
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		<title>By: mote</title>
		<link>http://motespace.com/blog/2006/08/22/semantic-web-20/comment-page-1/#comment-3797</link>
		<dc:creator>mote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Aug 2006 16:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree that it&#039;s not an either-or, Max.  Even the categories and templates already in MediaWiki provide both human-readable and machine-scrapable data... 

The Semantic MediaWiki approach takes it a step further, and it does it in a really nice way.  I remember the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jot Wiki&lt;/a&gt; announcing something similiar a year or two ago (unfortunately, jot is neither free nor Free, as far as software goes).

For me, the most compelling thing about Semantic MediaWiki is that users are able to edit both the structure of information and the information itself (see the page for &lt;a href=&quot;http://ontoworld.org/wiki/Laptop&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Laptop&lt;/a&gt; versus the page for &lt;a href=&quot;http://ontoworld.org/wiki/Template:Laptop&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Template:Laptop&lt;/a&gt;).  However, I&#039;m not sure how well this will play out in the long run.  What I mean is: the templates (creating the structure of data) are editable--and this is a desirable thing--but what happens to the old data when the structure changes?  It becomes a little less useful and a little harder to machine-process.  Also, designing structure by committee can be a lot harder than defining content (it&#039;s a lot easier to define &quot;OBJECT is a CATEGORY&quot; (e.g. a Honda Civic is a Car with x miles-per-gallon and y weight) than to define exactly what characteristics a car should have).  Each user will have a different idea of what characteristics should and should not be included, and what they should be named.  I suspect agreeing on stable templates will be a lot harder than creating instances of the templates.  And this is dangerous, because it&#039;s the templates, the definition of data structure, that make the system practically usable.

Are there any thoughts/solutions to this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree that it&#8217;s not an either-or, Max.  Even the categories and templates already in MediaWiki provide both human-readable and machine-scrapable data&#8230; </p>
<p>The Semantic MediaWiki approach takes it a step further, and it does it in a really nice way.  I remember the <a href="http://www.jot.com/" rel="nofollow">Jot Wiki</a> announcing something similiar a year or two ago (unfortunately, jot is neither free nor Free, as far as software goes).</p>
<p>For me, the most compelling thing about Semantic MediaWiki is that users are able to edit both the structure of information and the information itself (see the page for <a href="http://ontoworld.org/wiki/Laptop" rel="nofollow">Laptop</a> versus the page for <a href="http://ontoworld.org/wiki/Template:Laptop" rel="nofollow">Template:Laptop</a>).  However, I&#8217;m not sure how well this will play out in the long run.  What I mean is: the templates (creating the structure of data) are editable&#8211;and this is a desirable thing&#8211;but what happens to the old data when the structure changes?  It becomes a little less useful and a little harder to machine-process.  Also, designing structure by committee can be a lot harder than defining content (it&#8217;s a lot easier to define &#8220;OBJECT is a CATEGORY&#8221; (e.g. a Honda Civic is a Car with x miles-per-gallon and y weight) than to define exactly what characteristics a car should have).  Each user will have a different idea of what characteristics should and should not be included, and what they should be named.  I suspect agreeing on stable templates will be a lot harder than creating instances of the templates.  And this is dangerous, because it&#8217;s the templates, the definition of data structure, that make the system practically usable.</p>
<p>Are there any thoughts/solutions to this?</p>
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		<title>By: Max Völkel</title>
		<link>http://motespace.com/blog/2006/08/22/semantic-web-20/comment-page-1/#comment-3796</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Völkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Semantic MediaWiki (http://ontoworld.org) is an eyeball-wiki which makes some of it&#039;s content machine-accessible. So it&#039;s not an either-or question. Take a look and judge yourself what will happen when Wikipedia adds this MediaWiki extension to their site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Semantic MediaWiki (<a href="http://ontoworld.org" rel="nofollow">http://ontoworld.org</a>) is an eyeball-wiki which makes some of it&#8217;s content machine-accessible. So it&#8217;s not an either-or question. Take a look and judge yourself what will happen when Wikipedia adds this MediaWiki extension to their site.</p>
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